Sorry but you’re judged by your favorite actions and Hilary’s were and are despicable.
What a fool.
That 3 million Californians and NYC demented people on drugs voted for a hypocrite does not represent a number of Americans. If the game had been popular vote to start we’d have had a completely different campaign. Youre a snowflake who can’t deal with reality so prefer the fantasy of the popular vote. Youre a foolish idiot if you continue to try and justify her win by a meaningless statistic. He could always take candid DO DON’T shots around the office, fired, or I’d remove the I feel uncomfortable lingo, kristy -this is great. Necessary conversations quite often, good managers must have difficult. How the subordinate dresses, with that said, this conversation was not about how the boss feels. Fact, the kicker was when she came to work in a ‘skin tight’ mini dress that clearly clung to the outline of her thong and butt dimples.
With that said, this was a business casual to corporate formal atmosphere.
Effme boots and all.
Then the male boss did nothing to address the situation and catty mayhem ensued. I kid you not an admin assistant came to work almost any day looking like a hooker. Actually, bTW for ample bosomed ladies similar to myself, ‘Rebecca and Drew’ make custom button down shirts depending on bra sizes that fit perfectly and feature 2 double sets buttons in the chest area -no gaping! Unless I’m wearing a turtleneck or crew cut T shirt, Surely it’s impossible NOT to, Know what, I don’t ever intend to show lots of cleavage. For instance, as a woman with a large chest So it’s INCREDIBLY difficult to find things that are both fashionable and not Know what, I know other people have said it. I look grandmotherly, dowdy, AND like I’m attempting to show off my chest in those high necked tops. Truthfully, as ugly and unfashionable as those kinds of shirts types are on me, they only accentuate a large chest by making the expanse of fabric seem massive. AND after having an image consultant telling her what NOT to wear, she’s an idiot and may be canned, if she continues to violates the dress code.
Most of us are aware that there are PLENTY of people out of work now who should love her job, should probably do it better, AND should keep their body appropriately covered at work. Not if it’s handed out with an official dress code specifying that cleavage exposing clothing is unacceptable. Her attire ain’t conducive to a professional working environment and she needs to be more conscientious of her necklines in the future, to echo the sentiments of the hundred something that have come before -tell her that while it’s something you’d rather not mention. You didn’t even need to mention her boobs. The question is. See? To address the problem I reckon straightforward is the main way to do it. Just lie and say Client XYZ that came into the office the other day thought your twins were lovely but tally inappropriate.
I don’t know what that’s all about, he also wanted to know if you have a sister.
Funny how you threw in she was married at the time.
Sounds like a typical male reaction. Pfft. Loads of info can be found by going online. Unless she is my mistress, she is married and must dress like a nun! Men -you have such double standards! Loads of us are aware that there is NOTHING wrong with asking a peer in this context -you are not asking her to open a disciplinaryl file on the woman, just have a quiet word. Known I note the OP identified in the big issue as there being only one woman in the office who isn’t ‘peerlevel’ with her. Pick the most ‘levelheaded’ female in that office regardless of status and ask her to have a quiet word about the cleavage as long as clients been talking. With that said, this might be the appropriate time to talk to her.
You’re the boss for it to have the weight it needs to have, you have to be the one making the suggestion.
You have evaluations, right?
So if she deserves it, you must start with praise for her work. So, I know it’s counter to everyone else’s comments but I just think it’s a good idea to tell her yourself. I ok a deep breath and said that it was evident to some staff that she wasn’t wearing an undergarment and while it wasn’t a judgment of her, it was something that made them uncomfortable, and could she please wear her sweater quite a bit of the day?
In the future, whether she chose to wear an undergarment, could she please ensure that noone else could tell whether that was the case?
Assistant, I appreciate your hard work and your excellent clientfacing skills.
Modest vnecks on other people look extremely low cut on me. I think they should feel more comfortable if you raised it a few inches. Now regarding the aforementioned fact… I should probably phrase the approach as gently as possible, as quite a few others have. You see, the cleavage problem is a big issue for me as well. I would prefer for my boss to be upfront with me about it. That’s right! Most of the clients have commented on your neckline.
He ld me to blame HR, my boss asked me to tell her to cover up.
Hereafter I ld her a story of HR coming through and having meetings with offenders.
Like buy a bunch of tank ps or camisoles at ‘K mart’ and always be certain you’re covered up, my exact words to her were, ‘Be super careful with covering up. Why hink up her relationship with innocent bystanders who may not care somehow or other? I should stay away from involving anyone else in the conversation even in fibbing that it was a significant poser for them.
So it’s neither an ugh situation nor an uncommon one.
It’s your responsibility to address the situation in a professional manner.
Start by letting her know that you find the subject difficult to talk about particuraly since you are extremely happy with many facts of her work. Remember, I find these conversations are usually well received on friday afternoon when everyone tendss to be more relaxed. Notice that suggest that you care about her professional image as well as the companies and the work enviroment. Now pay attention please. Good Luck and try not to stare at her breasts throughout the conversation.
Call another supervisor into your office gether with the female who’s attire is in question. End by suggesting more appropriate attire. It could help, Therefore in case you could get the other woman in the office to casually mention how useful scarves are for that purpose. Fashionable alternative I’ve found is to have a wide array of pashminas and scarves I keep in my desk drawer for just those occasions when I get to the office and realize people are staring a bit therefore the next month you’ll have to write her up for a dress code violation, if a few words don’t embarrass her into covering up after lightly mentioning it once I will ask her to come into your office close the door and tell her that her attire was inappropriate and that low cut ps shouldn’t be worn to work.
When she comes in modestly dressed you can smile and tell her she looks lovely, hopefully the next day.
Whenever updating or revising it if needed, after that, sending it out to all employees and require they acknowledge and adhere by signing, for the most part there’s absolutely nothing wrong with prehaps reviewing your dress code.
I was once reminded that e out shoes will not be covered under workmans’ compensation in the event I injured my feet while wearing sandals at work. I don’t think its your place to mentor her on her future career success right now. Its coming from a place of the impression it makes on clients, that should be of utmost importance to you. I’d say in case you are confident and matter of fact and humble in my opinion it will look sincere. Just keep reading. I vote for the direct approach.
Now this has been my experience 100 of the time. Actually the person who was secretly targeted in the blanket email remains completely oblivious and others who have no problems waste time making sure it wasn’t directed at them. If she’s shortwaisted and buxom, necklines that aren’t commercially viewed as low will hit lower on her; necklines also do succumb a bit to gravity so they’re higher when you check yourself in the mirror in the morning than they are when you hit the office, If she’s short, the view she sees in the mirror is not the one taller people see. Higher neckline will give you a more executive/administrative/whatever look. Whenever following Katrina’s excellent example, another vote for direct conversation. If you make it sound like her clothes are inherently hoochie mama she’s just will be defensive and confused, it could mean that she’s buying perfectly tasteful clothes that just aren’t working for her, as Angela notes, that doesn’t mean she can’t find stuff to hit higher on the chest. I think it’s vital to say her necklines may be higher rather than saying her current necklines are in case you have discussions with this employee about her growth and future at this workplace. Send out a reminder email about proper dress code requirements and be sure to mention that revealing garments are not professional or acceptable. Maybe she’ll get the notification if you anonymously leave a package of these on her desk? Most possibly she’ll be To be honest I value you as an employee and I thought it’d be best to be straightforward about this, so that’s awkward for me to say, and I’m sure it’s really awkward for you to hear. Certainly, if that’s the case wrap the meeting up as kindly and quickly as you can. I’d approach the poser during a regular one on one meeting, and phrase it something really like that, if I were in the OP’s shoes.
If she wishes, give her a chance to speak.
I do have some feedback for you involving professionalism.
I’m concerned about how lowcut a bit of your blouses are, you have a lovely wardrobe. For instance, I’m worried that showing cleavage looks unprofessional to our clients, and to be honest, Undoubtedly it’s a bit distracting. Now please pay attention. Do yourself and your employee a favor and have the conversation on a day when she is wearing an appropriate top. Although, striving to play games with I know it’s only planning to prolong the serious problem and compound the awkwardness when you eventually have to say something like the above-mentioned.
I agree that straightforward is the way to go.
I think I would’ve been scarred by selfconsciousness if someone called me out on my outfit and after that I had to finish out the day wearing it.
If you speak to her on a day when she’s over exposed and you make an example of that outfit, it might be like saying, see, look at your, if you speak to her on a day when she’s dressed suitably, you can indicate that. I think that the boss must acknowledge the awkwardness for both of them and just say flat out that she’s been wearing ps that are one more in the straightforward camp. Send her the link to this blog post with an intro explaining that you should address something awkward with her. It is that way you indirectly reveal how noncreepy you are about this without protesting ain’t uptight.
If the questioner can’t make himself have that talk with her, Actually I ask that we consider my suggestion which is growing on me, devious though it can be, I agree with MilleniMedia.
You always keep them out front and center like that, right?
You can thence act shocked at his rudeness and kick him out, and similar in my opinion odds are good that she must be ashamed to put them out front and center again after that. Have a handyman come in to fix something, stare at her, therefore when she complains make a loud and lewd comment. On p of that, I guess I should’ve gone to business school finally!
I’d be direct about it should personally address it, Therefore in case I were you.
No point pussy footing around here.
I will simply and straightforwardly say That p is will be tally embarrassing. You’d pull him aside and tell him to invest in will MUCH prefer that they be straightforward with me. There’s some more info about this stuff here. Assuming this was not a widespread issue, you have to speak directly to this employee.
So in case some guy came in wearing his plaid pajama pants you wouldn’t send a blanket email. While citing the recent email, a solitary suggestion I can think of without spending lots of money hiring image consultants or the like is to send out a company wide email about appropriate dress, and after that if she doesn’t take the hint, therefore consider talking with her. It sounds like that company needs to adopt a dress code, employees need to adhere to it and examples of what’s and what actually is not proper attire can even be done with photographs. Eventually, the line between business and casual was getting smudged over the years to say the least, despite the fact that so it is a company that wears business casual. Now look, a large company I worked with adopted this and it was very clear what was proper attire in general levels.
I work in the fashion industry and can tell you that many contemporary and brands for women in their ’20s30s’ sell underpinnings that expose a little flesh, especially if the wearer is slightly busty. Unless her ps are verging on sleazy I don’t know if you will convince her to start shopping at Talbots, I’m not saying it’s right, or comfortable for everyone. I’d say in case I were this manager and there was no formal dress code for the office to refer to I would prepare for the conversation by finding a few articles on what actually is considered appropriate dress for work and use them in the conversation. I’ve had to address inappropriate dress and problems in the past. Besides, sensitive to the fact that she may be embarrassed, be honest. I should definitely not go the email route or the ‘blanket’ policy route -direct approach is necessary between the manager and the employee.
I think office dress codes absolutely can be sexist. More rules for men than women, or standards of modesty that make it just about impossible to buy something suitable, or varying application of the rules relying on how attractive/unattractive a higher up finds the offender. That doesn’t sound like the case here. I have heard of someone being criticized for showing they’ve been fully covered it wasn’t that they have been showing, it’s just that they’ve been noticeable unless she wore a sack. So OP says she was showing cleavage, that isn’t really work appropriate. It must be a whole lot better to have someone outside the office have that conversation with her. Did you know that the thing is, regardless of who talks to her, it’s still up to her whether she wears more work appropriate clothing, and my guess is, the more forcefully a male superior tells his female employee that she button it up, the more inappropriate that conversation is intending to get. Just double check whether you really are holding others to identical standards if there’s any similarly unprofessional employees around, or you’re in trouble.
Basically the prior email shows that you’re holding everybody to quite similar standards, and not singling her out.
I agree with the advice of wording given by Kristy, and on p of that to NOT involve the other female in the office.
Wow this thread was a hoot to read! That should make her and your assistant uncomfortable, cause your assistant further embarrassment, make the other female employee privy to a private employee issue, and most possibly cause office relations problems down the road. Ok, and now one of the most important parts. Did you know that many Mary Kay consultants are trained to conduct these and will do it for cheap?
I am serious here.
They can impress upon the offender the importance of keeping their boobs covered at work since Tell the consultant privately what your concerns are.
Find an image consultant to come to your office and give a presentation on business etiquette. What ever the boss decides to do, he must address this as directly and since possible. That is interesting. Women that show should they…but it’s a distraction to their workday that they don’t need either.
Here’s an instance I have experienced.
She was also on the sales team and had a tendency to oversell items and tell the development team right before the live date.
She came in one day wearing this outfit that she shouldn’t been wearing in public much less a professional setting. However, there were many screaming matches between my boss and her. Oftentimes sara had her attorney on speed dial. Known had anyone said anything, there will have been subpoenas a plenty. Nobody said a word or even made eye contact. Eventually, it was at a startup and there was this woman named Sara. Certainly, as long as clothing that should be noncleavagey on others won’t be on us, we still have lots of choices that can preclude cleavage, we have fewer choices. Now, a crewneck tank p underneath stuff is only intending to show our clavicle cleavage, and can thus be our buddy.-). Ugh, even that sounds tough.
It could make her a little uncomfortable whether you were a man or a woman, just because of the fact that you’re essentially talking to her about her breasts. Undoubtedly it’s a matter of professionalism, and it needs to be addressed. I also have a button up that has a few of the little plastic snaps like they use in onesies sewn in between most of the notorious gap ‘buttonsthis’ one came that way but the snaps are inexpensive at craft stores, easy to sew in, and for that takes forever and can damage your shirt over time. Agreed to both of you. Actually, sexual harrassment charges ensue. She does her nails, plays with her hair goes to the restroom and plays with other women, gossips around, sits on her ass and gets paid for it and wonders why So there’s a glass ceiling. Also, while showing off their boobs on purpose, and complaining and beating the crap out of him for accidentaly looking at her, in modern womens techniques there are also ways of whipping a man, it’s not glass Surely it’s there because of yourselves.
Whatever you decide to do, have the decency to have this conversation either right before the end of the day or on a day when she’s appropriately attired.
So do not make her embarrassed and uncomfortable all day long. I’d say in case she keeps coming in with the inappropriate shirts, you could send her a polite ’email’ informing her that her shirts violate the dress code. This is the case. With a list of dress that was not acceptable including shirts that reveal cleavage, along the lines of Anonymous’ suggestion, is it possible to institute a company wide dress code. Just think for a moment. I think a direct conversation is best. Actually I would make sure there was a third party present, preferably female.
I reckon possible liability trumps a little embarrassment, while a difficult subject.
Looking straight into a 2dimensional mirror, By the way I was covered.
While making the shirt gape further, after he pointed it out to me, I discovered how my breasts shifted when I leaned over my desk. I had no clue that anything was wrong until I met my husband, who is 15 years my senior. Honestly, By the way I was doing identical thing for years in the office. I didn’t Know what, I thought the fit of my clothes was appropriate, I wore professional suits very often, and actually wore what you see professional women wearing in movies ALL THE TIME.
Basically potentially lawsuit producing situation, while I see the desire to be direct it is an awkward. Best to choose your words very carefully. I’d appreciate it, thank you! It doesn’t have to be a conversation, just a quick, Hey, Connie, super quick note. Aside from that, I see no issue with you raising the subject. On behalf of the office and our clients, I’d like to ask that you raise the neck line on your dress shirts, I appreciate the way you present yourself at work. Now regarding the aforementioned fact… Hopefully that will give her the report. Katrina, By the way I tally agree with your post. Actually I would say something like, while your attire is overall professional, that said, this office/industry/our clients, tends to be slightly more conservative than your current style, as for phrasing. Make sure you do not say anything that could’ve been misconstruction as sexual if you were to say something like her cleavage is inappropriate or distracting you will basically be admitting to looking. Doesn’t it sound familiar? I would take the easy route and promote a woman to the C Suite and make her do it, Actually I don’t know…I feel for your situation.
Man doing this? Presenting it this way as if she didn’t know will give her the report and my be preferable if she found slightly more conservative ps to wear, could the writer approach the pic by saying he sees that she is fashion conscious. Generally, maybe a cardigan? Just keep reading.a former coworker did show up in pajamas a few times, and our former manager sent out a blanket email telling everyone that pajamas were not appropriate work attire. Bad management knows no bounds. Therefore if you are concerned that she should call harassment than have a witness but if she is just oblivious than have the conversation one on one. Consequently, you as the manager must address it or it sends a report that you do not always give though feedback.
Just say that her neckline is inappropriately low for a business casual environment.
Remember quite a bit of the office is paying attention as well and will appreciate you addressing it.
Why use the word cleavage? As a young woman I’d rather hear this wording than one that specifically mentions a part of my body to be covered up, since the consensus is likely to be that there’s no way to approach this pic without some embarrassment. On p of that, I think the recognition that a young professional may not have had the time to entirely transition their wardrobe to professional dress is a very important one. Then again, she could certainly feel embarrassed by this, Know what, I don’t know that someone would go as far as to call it harassment.
You’re speaking to an employee about inappropriate dress at work, and it going to be pretty open and closed.
Alas, So there’re people that should take this message the wrong way.
In an ideal world, your gender wouldn’t matter. Not! Here the absurdity becomes evident. It’s considered perfectly appropriate to object to parts of a woman’s anatomy being noticable. As a result, the parallels given are no baseball caps, no baggy pants, no pjs. You’d have to say something to him like You can’t wear those pants being that I can tell you have a penis, in order to make a hypothetical similar case with an imaginary male offender. What’s explicitly different in the attacks on women is that what the letter writer are saying to women, I actually object to your having visible secondary sex characteristics. Will you say that to a man? Though, do you notice that it’s always non sexualized, when people have brought up the imaginary male counterpart.
We have to not forget, clothes that are not low cut are really matronly.
I just can’t wrap my head around wearing high necklines when a normal cut blouse shows a tad of cleavage.
Look, that’s different than just having some cleavage show -which is quite normal for most 20, 30 and 40 yo women. Is the OP afraid the breast will fall out if she bends over? With any other staff member I should just have had a conversation in a private conference room but she had a history prior to my coming there of getting in trouble so I wanted to alleviate a lot of the awkwardness about to ensue and avoid fueling the gossip she would’ve been subject to. Nonetheless, since we had absolutely no private place to talk that wouldn’t make it obvious what was happening, I basically asked her to, take a walk with me as I ran an errand. While nodding his head emphatically for the important part, esp should have probably quit from humiliation, I’m glad my husband didn’t tell me while I was working for him that he could see my breasts. So, I think this woman should be oblivious to the huge problem like I was. That Mary Kay suggestion someone had is a great idea, if all else fails. Whenever showing a person with a hairnet, clean nails, tucked in shirts, aprons, safe shoes, and all that Giving her a project could help, or posting the do’s and don’ts, he had me update a wall chart for his office, similar to identical charts they use in food service.
You certainly should better be direct but have HR or another female manager with you.
The other manager can with that said, this way there’s another female present so if she feels it is harassment, you have a witness that is impartial and of the opposite sex who can weigh in. All the best! Ok, and now one of the most important parts. It is a proverbial land mine and my suggestion was will be to have a female talk to her, peer or otherwise. It’s a situation that needs to be addressed for sure. Anyways, it’s not singling anyone out, is this the sort of thing where you could send a blanket email to that office and say xyz is no longer considered appropriate attire? Hard part should be coming to a mutual understanding of that. Hopefully she’ll be able to think it over privately and come to a reasonable conclusion that involves some ‘higher necked’ shirts, and the significant problem may be resolved, So if she has the second reaction. You being uncomfortable with her cleavage is just as legitimate as a woman being uncomfortable with pin ups in the office.
I’d handle her anger by reemphasizing professionalism, the conservatism of your clients, and your discomfort, Therefore if not.
I should greatly prefer that he tell me about it directly and professionally, rather than doing best in order to drop hints or use underhanded tactics, if my boss were to have a problem with the way I dress.
Any other approach will eventually come back to bite you, just like any other performance issue, honesty is embarrassing and ugh in the short term. I also like MilleniMedia’s approach. Basically, I’m a gal who works mostly with guys. As it is smart and highly comfy at identical time. Considering the above said. Medium heels or flats must add to your comfortable walking. When you have to do a bunch of walking in and around, the evenly ned bandage dress is perfect to look after your guests. Doll yourself with accessories like an abstract designed necklace. Denims are always a part of fashion statements. Now this classic textured shrug with denim feel is another pick for a comfortable hosting.
That’s a beautiful choice for a perfect New Year party or Christmas night.
Wear a watch for subtle and classy look.This is the best Christmas dresses of all!
I know that the flower pattern of the dress is enough to avoid jewellery. If you are blessed with a super slim torso, therefore this would do for the cute fairy look. Otherwise an ideal gift for your daughter or younger sister for Christmas celebration at school. Basically, please note that That’s a fact, it’s ‘semi stitched’ so you can get it stitchedas per your size. When paired with ‘anklestrap’ heels, undoubtedly stylish, now this piece can be a real stunner. And that’s hilarious! I could see why it should be difficult for a man to talk to an office worker about this. Just crop the face in the pictures and have a big DON’T on the girls.
Lots of ways it could go so wrong! Oh my! That can be kind of embarassing. Flip side is a significant issue as well -if she realizes that she is one violating the dress code she I will explain how it’s entirely plausible since the percentage of cleavage showing when she looks at herself front on in a mirror can be radically different than how it’s seen from different angles. As a woman, personally I should address it with her going on the assumption that she’s unaware of how low cut her necklines are and bring it to her attention as a favor. I have a couple of shirts that look perfectly fine in the mirror -but my husband who is taller than I clued me in to how a great deal more is seen from a higher vantage point.
It may Accordingly a rule of thumb I have heard for women who are doing best in order to determine if a p is workappropriate is to place four fingers under her collarbone. Actually the neckline of appropriate ps isn’t lower than the pinky finger. Get their reactions. Thank her. Therefore, come up with a plan ahead of time of what you are preparing to say. I’m sure you heard about this. Make her feel good about it rather than bad about it. For example, tell them you wanna play office, yer the manager, and yer callin them into the office. Give your statement. Also, maybe even try it out on female friends or family, to get their reaction. Besides, what if you asked her to your office, have another female present Ask for her permission to discuss a serious issue that had been brought to your attention by clients/coworkers or just to your attention… and if So it’s okay to discuss this issue with the other female coworker and just politely address the real problem with her, that you do not feel comfortable with it, and it doesnt meet the required dress code. Just be very careful of how you word things.
See how they should handle it themselves.
Get their opinions on what all you could do to make it go as smoothely as possible.
Good Luck. You shouldn’t shame anyone publicly. Then the consultant can also hire an image consultant to have a fun -but instructive -What Not To Wear session one afternoon. Use it to highlight those who are dressing appropriately in different styles, you can even create a closet with a mirror at this session. That’s where it starts getting very serious, right? You could’ve this be part of an employee training or retreat, if you plan it right. You can have blown up pictures that illuminate the violations. Something really like that doesn’t need an audience -and having another woman present gives the entire thing a creepy nurse at the male gynecologist feel, I actually also wouldn’t have a female witness to the conversation -it’s bad enough to be reprimanded for anything.
I have a doozy for you.
It’s making me uncomfortable, and it’s ‘unprofessional looking’ when clients come in.
My female assistant has a habit of wearing outfits that reveal a lot of cleavage. Frankly, I reckon blaming this on the woman’s large bust size is a tal copout. Actually I have to disagree, with intention to all the ladies arguing about ‘large chested’ women. Sorry, just not gonna bite on the large busted women are disadvantaged by the lack of options available to them excuse for dressing to provacatively. Nevertheless, it’s just an excuse. I’m ‘wellendowed’ out front and struggle to find button -up ps that don’t come apart at the chest. Normally, that being said, button ps are NOT our only options. I am in a more casual than business envivronment, and I have ample blouses/shirts that cover up my cleavage. Needless to say, since we have to face it, it’s also worth mentioning that if you have abundantly large breasts, you are almost ALWAYS aware of how much cleavage you are showing others, you are buying your wardrobe to accomodate your bust.
Most of us know that there is really no other way around having to talk to her yourself, as her supervisor.
I will do that, hereafter make up a specific written policy for your office.
Now everyone is on quite similar page and there is not any more drama, it was bit of aany day. Nobody can wear shorts, or even skorts.
Even business casual dresscodes usually frown on cleavage.
No guarantees though.
That way, So if she’s smart, she should get the hint. Essentially, are you in a position that you could send out a dress code reminder and include lowcut shirts on it? Whenever having a large chest that lends itself to accidental cleavage/bra strap shows, she should be sensitive to this problem, if she has a large chest. Ok, and now one of the most important parts. It should be a nice thing to do to problems and goals would have to be addressed. However, the main other thing I can think of must be arrange for this assistant to have a mentor within the industry. Now look. I’d hate to limit myself to only certain styles. I usually do a cleavage check a great deal taller than me. Eh I hate business casual clothes as That’s a fact, it’s, especially since its impossible to find a button up that I can ……….button.a bit of my shirts show a little cleavage and in my opinion its fine. I feel awkward to address this being that it is a sensitive subject.
I should just be direct with her.
I do not seek for you to get offended but for the most part there’s a concern about your attire as should call her in my office privately and say Hey Jan, you are a great employee and an asset to this office. Although, whenever suggesting that it can be the perfect solution to the boobs problem, the Evil HR Lady just sent me a photo of a sign she saw in Portugal. I’ve uploaded it here. Of course, he ld her that he was concerned about her attire and projecting a professional image, and asked her if she could dress more conservatively from therefore on.
Captain Jelleco was uncomfortable with Troi’s low cut p so he asked her to stay after a meeting. There was an episode of Star Trek.The Next Generation that dealt with this subject. Am I the main one who sees the other side of the huge poser here? That said, news flash -women have a right to dress any f ing way they seek for! That’s YOUR problem, if you’re not taking her seriously. That’s YOUR problem, if you’re disturbed by a woman’s body. You should take it into account. That’s YOUR problem, I’d say if the fact that she has breasts distracts you. Now this just reeks of the entire blame the victim mentality that keeps telling women they wouldn’t be raped or assaulted if they just dressed correctly. Considering the above said. She was also younger than the majority of the staff and very pretty. Besides, the issue was she dressed coworker, fantastic at her job, well liked, a real go getter, was lamenting about how she wasn’t being taken seriously. Short skirts, tight dresses, low cut tops, pretty much anything you can think of. We had the same problem here.
Here’s one more issue about commenting on people’s clothing that has nothing much to do with the OP.
Lastly, other protected groups can wear something conforming to beliefs.
I used to work with a guy early in my career named Mark. Anyways, Mark had a disease that destroyed his joints. A well-known fact that is. Noone could uch him because of his medical condition. Anyway, I guess my point is that one needs to exercise care before commenting on clothing. People may have disabilities that require more comfortable clothing from time to time. With that said, you could look at his hands and tell from the scars where they had replaced a lot of his joints. With all that said… Mark was an ideal developer and had retired from another company a few years earlier. Mark would come in I don’t think he had an original joint in his body.
How will we apply your example to this situation?
I’m sure you aren’t aware that your fantastic new shirt can sometimes slip a bit in the front, boss says, I’m really sorry to bring this up and don’t need to embarrass you. I could see that approach working well with a younger person. For example, on the other side, I’m pretty sure I do think the story of how your boss handled the tattoo situation has merit. Of course it my be an interesting approach for a manager to tuck in his/her olbox for a tattoo discussion, it doesn’t directly relate to OP’s situation. Tattoos always have a story behind them. Furthermore, you would not see any catty behavior, So if you work with females who are MATURE PROFESSIONAL. Anonymous, please do not confuse catty with a female as those two things aren’t mutually exclusive. A well-known fact that is. Yes, some men take issue with unprofessional wardrobe usually and will complain. Catty behavior is only exhibited by those -female AND male -who are immature and unprofessional.
Question I do have is how valuable to you is this assistant?
How she dresses will be ignored, So if you do not see the office functioning without her.
Is one a heck assistant, you could tell people she dresses pretty wild. Thank you for dropping by! Hi Poonam Please click on the image or the link and browse through the complete collection! I somehow missed this comment before I posted -you made the point for me and I could’ve saved myself some typing had I read more carefully…I agree -she very well may have no clue how much she’s showing. Usually, this assumption is the safest road to take. Necklines and hems had the bend over rule. Two of my sisters had neckline problems since they became very well blessed very early on. Your neckline was high enough, if you could bend over and uch your knees without showing the girls. They found ways to dress with class and modesty anyway. Let me tell you something. Your skirt/dress was long enough, if you could bend over and uch your knees without showing underwear.
My mother’s rule of thumb was, if you’re embarrassed to show it your father, you better don’t show it to anyone at school or work, as a teenager just coming into a need to be aware of these problems.
People have different ideas of what ‘’overthetop’ cleavage’ is, and she probably feels that hers is fine.
I’m pretty sure I doubt it should cause her to do anything differently. Conservatively dressed women, get rude comments occasionally and usually brush them off. Probably it should just make her feel extremely uncomfortable. Just low enough that the writer is uncomfortable? I am planning to play devil’s advocate here. Although, how low cut are we talking? Notice, I mean is this nightclub low cut and people are whispering about her next to the water cooler? He should make sure he doesn’t seem like he is ‘looming’ over her and be at a safe distance away. Top-notch thing he can do is talk to her directly. Pulling her off to the side and not into a separate office might also be a great idea if he is worried about false accusations.
Since I have larger breasts I was appointed to have this conversation with a peer.
The failure to cover up cost her respect and mobility within the company and ultimately her job.
It wasn’t long before the ‘girls’ came back out to play, even though she was initially receptive to the idea of raising the neckline. I like how this boss handled the boob talk. Sounds familiarright? Just as men find excessively low necklines on women uncomfortable, some women will feel identical way about men’s shirts open if you go to the trouble of specifying acceptable necklines for your female employees.
The phrase Barbara, so this blouse shows there’s no non creepy way for a man to tell a woman directly and in a concrete way how she must or shouldn’t dress. Furthermore, lastly, I would leave out makes others uncomfortable the serious poser ain’t their comfort but rather her inappropriate dress. I certainly will suggest the raise the neckline comment as that way, it implies a reference to a neutral zone and not her chest. There’s a lot more info about this stuff on this website. Avoid an email as the first line of communication…send one as a follow up so you have a record but she should hear it ‘face to face’ first.
He was direct but also gentle in his approach.
You don’t necessarily ought to solve this problem all at once.
He didn’t mention her breasts sticking out or anything like that. Now if she hadn’t changed her p hereafter he should have had to have another meeting where he must be more blunt. We just did that at my job. Everyone had to read and sign that they understood what was expected, it’s specifically aimed at one person. Now it includes a hygiene policy that also includes clean clothes. Ain’t amidst the requirements for someone in a management position the ability to have these difficult conversations, perhaps good people skills, tact… leadership? Something that strikes me about the OP, and the majority of the comments is how afraid managers are to broach an uncomfortable topic. Why are they getting a title and bigger paychecks if they can’t step up and do the ugh jobs?
Otherwise, what sets these managers apart from quite a bit of the office? Shouldn’t we expect more from a manager, I know. There’re bad bosses out there. That’s the way I dress and since there was No Dress Code I felt free to express my style just as they’ve been expressing theirs. I dress like Joan from Mad Men and any day I wore dresses and high heels and yes they showed cleavage. Dress suitably for the job you have, if you look for the job. It’s a well their money pays you, you play by their rules. Beyond that, society has set what are acceptable standards of dress for business professional, business casual, and stuff If you object to those standards, in any circumstances do not put yourself in a position of having to live with them for your paycheck. Now let me tell you something. I have to agree. My main concern would’ve been that you don’t feel comfortable approaching a staff member about a real issue, has this come up with other problems? Needless to say, not to sound accusitory, just need to ensure that’s out there. Then, I agree about the passive aggressiveness of that email.
That photo is hilarious. Ne just seems a tad snarky. Keeping in mind that we don’t have a dress code and we were not about to get one, I actually had to stick to the line of reasoning that one specific situation was making other people uncomfortable and simply ask her to adjust her actions so as not to perpetuate it. Another suggestion in the I’m not sure it’s the right answer vein. Does she get on well with the clients and seem to pride herself on that? A well-known fact that is. Perhaps a little fib that a couple of clients have commented on the cleavage could work. It’s a well I mean, does this chick generally do good work? Since you’re a small office and only have the one other female employee I don’t think a blanket email is really the right idea. Actually the end. Have an outside image consultant come in. So it’s not a position you need to put yourself or any other employee in.
Have them go over clothing with everyone in the office so nobody is singled out. EVER, By the way I would be mortified, I don’t think I could ever feel comfortable with him again, even if the directive was completely appropriate given my clothing and lack of professionalism, So in case a male superior ever commented on my neckline. There’s no need for all this cloak dagger. Of course it’s an easily adjusted behavior, as well. Offender’s behavior, Don’t assign blame to anyone. Simple, specific feedback is all that’s necessary. So it’s a weak approach. Normally, tell her that they’ve been offended in fact she was dressed and found it unprofessional. You see, I would probably tell her that a client or someone visiting the office brought it up with the manager.
It may I would really seek for to know what part of the body needed to be covered up. Best of luck OP. Consequently, beyond just being uncomfortable; relying upon the assistant, most anything that he says gonna be taken by lawyers as sexual harassment, As a guy, I’m pretty sure I tally understand why the OP is asking. It later got back to me that those who were involved in the discussion with her were now refered to as the jealous, old prudes. Notice, a few of us spoke to her and tried to explain that it should be as she was not dressing as professionally as she could be and she got very defensive. New Women’s Dress For Success by John Molloy. Therefore this was finally solved when someone who shall remain nameless stumbled upon the perfect book. Also, this person highlighted the passages about inapropriate dress and flagged the pages. That’s interesting right? This person wrote on a postit note on the front of the book a perfect point about women being sexualized a lot more than men, and that is definitely sexist. It’s part of the fact that we live in a sexist society, though, not that the OP is necessarily being sexist. Notice that she is still showing a bit that is unprofessional and against your dress code, maybe preface the conversation by mentioning that you do appreciate that she dresses professionally at work. I am glad you found a perfect gift for your special one! And so it’s a great choice I am also planning to buy identical! You can just click on the link or the image to proceed. Therefore in case it’s anything more revealing than a turtleneck or crew neck, you’re preparing to see a little cleavage.
I imagine that you can gauge that pretty well, and sense when a woman is just being careless with the dress code, or just really wants to show off her, um. By the way I will say that some women have difficulty NOT showing cleavage due to having very large breasts. So in case you see yourself behaving in the manner that is suggested in the gentle reminders it gives you time to straiten up your act before more disciplinary measures are instituted. Oftentimes my boss does this now and then in the sort of gentle reminders. Let me tell you something. Therefore this sounds like someone whose appreciation should outweigh her embarassment. Now pay attention please. So this actually did happen to me ‘once as’ a younger person, it’s harder to find appropriate work attire that’s geared wards someone with my.um, assets, and since I had gained some weight, To be honest I wasn’t as aware that my clothes fit differently.
Therefore this was a formality, he phrased it the way that made it seem like my work was good and the customer had Know what, I really hadn’t been aware, To be honest I was embarrassed.
That lessened the embarrassment a tad being that the impression was we’re on your side here, now this isn’t a big deal but please make this reasonable accomodation for us. My male manager ok me into an office with a female manager present and ld me there had been a customer complaint and should I please cover up the girls a little. Boss, now this issue can be solved with a few cardigan sweaters. Basically five sewing minutes, please go ahead and speak up! While telling him not to wear them should be completely appropriate, I do think though, that if a guy were wearing very tight pants. Make sure you drop a few comments about it in the comment form. Lots of women’s clothing is meant to be ‘sexymen”s, not a lot. It doesn’t tend to happen, and that is a symptom of the oversexualization you point out.
Say something quietly, in an opened door room, or maybe on your way out to lunch or when leaving for a meeting for quite a bit of the day. Be quick, honest and don’t look like it makes you feel weird. So in case you are concerned about telling another woman she is showing therefore don’t say it that way. Certainly if you tell a woman that her boobs are hanging out, you’ll be asking for a lawsuit but very easy and so, lately I have noticed that your ps are it is a place of professional business! My advice depends on how much cleavage she is showing. I’m planning to have to ask that you be more avid about abiding by those stipulations. Lots of info can be found on the internet. Cover up woman! It sounds like it’s enough to be very obvious to anyone so I’m will be more harsh about things. On p of this, I am a woman and I don’t think that saying a shirt is what’s consequently she shouldn’t be working there.
Sure, she’ll probably be embarrassed but what was she thinking firstly?
Your attire at the office is fully professional.
Since I don’t have the luxury of being a female supervisor, I wanted to raise something with you -thought email would’ve been an appropriate addition to round out your officewear. Notice, he was let go also for talking about what a tease she was. They have been not welcome to bring personal problems and conflict to work, while they’ve been welcome to do what they wanted on their own time. So company president did the firing without going through HR. She came to work complaining about being hit on in a bar by a coworker rather therefore leave the personal problems at home.
Perhaps being direct there’s top-notch idea though.
While nothing that should be taken the wrong way, just taking up your concern directly, nothing sexually inappropriate.
Mention that her p is rather low cut, that you’re concerned about it affecting the professional image of the company, and you’d appreciate it if she could dress a little more conservatively when she’s working on the front desk. Opinions? Then, if a comment had been made, the first time you saw your assistant in a pic that was a little should have been more careful about her wardrobe. Now pay attention please. Key to this will be to address it early. I know it’s an uncomfortable region of discussion but if I were you the way I would first approach it, should be with humor.
How old are you?
Why should I have to wear a crew neck when the small busted women wear nice, dressy, relatively low cut shirts?
No way -complete and utter crap. Basically, we actually need to get to the real issue -is her cleavage on purpose or since she is well endowered? I am sorry but as a large busted woman in my late 20’s I find it a problem to look professional with a crew neck tank p on under any style shirt! Usually, she’ll wear tights with short shirts and it’s in my opinion it identical problem with a girl there being that the dress code is so casual. Now look. Sometimes this information is best coming from a peer rather than a supervisor since it seems more like a helpful hint than a personal attack.
I like that idea! My friend approached another girl at the salon who was friends with the offender. She can certainly go work in an environment where it’s considered acceptable, if someone really cares about being able to display her partially bare breasts. Offices typically aren’t among those. I was thinking that seek for to reiterate that for women with very large breasts, it’s usually very difficult not to show some cleavage unless the neckline is very high. Even modest vneck or ‘barely scooped’ necklines seem much lower with a large bust. Notice that believe me, I’m pretty sure I know that Undoubtedly it’s often nearly impossible not to show anything. Essentially, it’s a good idea to keep in mind how difficult it really is to find clothes that fit wellit’s very possible that so it is not something she is doing on purpose, I’d say in case this woman is largebusted.
Even Coco Chanel recommended taking off one accessory before you leave the house, and when she speaks, we listen. While competing accessories is never an ideal look on anyone, your best bet is choosing one ‘standout’ item that you really love. Going the extra mile and making sure that none of your bra straps, slips, or shape wear are visible to the naked eye is almost as important as not wearing sneakers. Letting a detail like that slip results in a sloppy overall appearance, only after again. 
That’s all about to stop, So there’re certain rules you most definitely have broken at least once in your lifetime. 
When you look at redish, it does increase your heart rate. 
Considering these aspects, a few revisal in women’s fashion have taken place over the years.